With regard to Dr Bay’s win in the Qld Supreme Court there are some caveats that make it less of a win for free speech by doctors concerning clinical and scientific issues, and rather more of a win for enforcing procedural fairness and appropriate due process by Ahpra and the Medical Board. The Board still has the capacity to censor doctors who the Board thinks are promulgating incorrect advice to the public or patients (or bringing the profession into disrepute). See the particular ‘carve-outs’ by the Judge in this case who specifically makes no comment about the merits of the Covid vaccines, and the legal commentary (not sure who the author is) noting that the Medical Board could still take Dr Bay to task about his comments about vaccines, as long as the Board did this with regard to due process and procedural fairness. The only comment of Justice Bradley that might give some comfort to medical practitioners critical of government policy about any clinical matters is as follows: "None of these measures extended the board's regulatory role to include protection of government and regulatory agencies from political criticism." It is uncertain whether other judges would take the same view. Unfortunately, this Supreme Court ruling is less than what I thought it might be. Any others would like to comment? Philip Morris.
Well it depends on how you look at it, doesn't it Philip?
In this case it wasn't about the court engaging in discussion about the Covid debacle, but it helps put the spotlight on what AHPRA and the Medical Board are up to in persecuting practitioners, and suppressing dissent in the medical profession, those are shocking revelations in the judgement!
From my perspective, as an independent individual pursuing accountability for the destruction of voluntary informed consent for vaccination, the William Bay case opens up opportunities to go after AHPRA and the Medical Board.
Somebody has to do this work, otherwise the community, from womb to tomb, is going to be subjected to a never-ending onslaught of vaccine products.
For example via the new Moderna factory in Melbourne, which plans to pump out 100 million respiratory vaccine doses, every year... Who do you think is in the frame for these injections Philip? And it's going to be interesting going ahead, because I think the community's appetite for Covid and other respiratory vaccines has waned...
My main focus is on eliminating coercion and mandates. I just wish I could find some medical practitioners who are interested in defending voluntary informed consent for medical interventions such as vaccination.
I thought this would be a bedrock ethical and moral medical principle, in our supposedly 'free countries'.
Unfortunately, it seems it's just too risky for practitioners to engage in discussion on this publicly, because of their fear of AHPRA and the Medical Board. And notice the old way of describing the doctor-patient relationship? How about putting the patient first, i.e. the patient-doctor relationship.
Due to the utter failure of the medical 'profession' to reject participating in coercive/mandatory vaccination, it seems it's up to general members of the public to pursue accountability for taxpayer-funded mandatory vaccination policy and the destruction of voluntary informed consent, as I have been doing now for more than 16 years, including my pet vaccination experience.
Re: “As of last census, there’s >136,000 registered medical practitioners in Australia. In order to practice, AHPRA extorts over $1000 per year every year from each of them. That’s more than 136 million dollars flowing annually into AHPRA coffers! No research and development cost. No massive mining equipment to maintain. Stone cold pure cash extraction with minimal overhead.”
Really?
That’s a lot of money - $136 million dollars flowing annually into AHPRA coffers.
Is it accumulating? Where does all this money ultimately end up?
I’m calculating off census data and my own annual registration renewal costs. Where it ends up. Good question Elizabeth. I wouldn’t ask to see the accounting books if I don’t trust their bearer
Starting mid 2020 I’m a veteran of approx 50 rallies in QLD and spoke at about a dozen of them, including the big one before the QLD December 17th 2021 pre federal election banning of gatherings. Also about a couple dozen community hall talks with the freedom friendly senators and candidates and more recently conferences in Sydney and Melbourne and some zoom talks and the senate enquires throughout. Some doctor friends attended rallies in hats and sunglasses from early on. By late Spring 2021 some had started joining me on the podium to speak out publicly. More were active in Melbourne. In Sydney it was Paul and Ros. Although my principle interest was lockdowns, masks and mandates, I did critique the covid vax and defended parents rights not to vaccinate their kids with the standard set. There’s really two generations of covid activists, the first 18 months re lockdown, masks and mandates and very late 2021 onwards re jab harms. Although I worked across both generations, from 2022 onwards I became more interested in the upstream forces giving birth to the covid cult.
Robert, given your own experience in courageously challenging the status quo, and subsequent persecution by AHPRA, I'm surprised at your rather gloomy response to the William Bay case.
While you start off with "All of us in the medical dissident community celebrate his unexpected victory over AHPRA and the medical board...", your article then descends into a negative ramble that sounds anything but celebratory...
William Bay won his case against the evil tyrants AHPRA and the Board, apparently without lawyers.
Holy bleedin' cow!
It is fantastic news.
And in the judgement we have a record of the Board's and AHPRA's appalling behaviour in persecuting a practitioner.
You sum it yourself, saying: "What followed was collusion between AMA and AHPRA to take out Bay, using in house (and biased) complainants, inappropriate use of the mandatory notification process, failing to properly furnish Bay with information as to his “offences” and generally stone walling his road to justice. He was accused of offences against both law and code of conduct without the board pointing out exactly what these offences were"
Crikey!!! How damning is that?! Colluding to destroy William Bay!
Do you think there should be massive complaints against AHPRA and the Board and the AMA? To the National Health Practitioner Ombudsman in the first instance to get these on the record, and other avenues via cooperative MPs and Senators? And get this out in the court of public opinion somehow!
The judgement provides a clear example of how AHPRA and the Board's threatening behaviour seeks to bully practitioners into compliance with government vaccination policy, and thereby inhibits practitioners from raising valid concerns about medical interventions such as vaccine products, and interferes with their free speech with patients, impacting on their obligation to obtain voluntary informed consent.
This is a serious threat to the safety of the community, as we are seeing unfold now, with reported adverse events after the COVID-19 vaccines, and who knows what lies ahead in future with all the uncertainties about these products which are under such a dark cloud in regard to their regulation under the TGA, and conflicts of interest of groups influential on taxpayer-funded vaccination policy, such as ATAGI.
And it's not just about adverse events. People in the community were coerced and mandated into submitting to these products, trashing their freedom to make their own decision on the intervention without penalty.
The medical profession collaborated with this, going along with the dictatorial AHPRA Position Statement 9 March 2021, and Scott Morrison's original desire for 'the vaccine' to be "as mandatory as you can possibly make it", as he announced in August 2020, before the vaccines were even available.
This is a dynamite political situation! So much to unravel here...
In regard to the Board's and AHPRA's part in all this, the Justice Bradley judgement is priceless ammunition, particularly with Justice Bradley saying "It might be difficult to characterise the conduct of the Board and AHPRA as anything less than profoundly unsatisfactory."
I think that's a pretty damning comment!
It seemed the Board and AHPRA had all the power to control and abuse the practitioners. But with William Bay bypassing the tribunal and going to court, it has upset their apple cart.
Who knew the court would actually be a friend after all that has gone on in this debacle?! That's quite the revelation.
I certainly hope there are some alert practitioners out there who can see the golden opportunity in this win by William Bay, and use it to turn the spotlight on the wretched Medical Board and AHPRA, it is certainly well overdue.
In the euphoria after his court case victory, in response to Michael Gray Griffith's question "What do you think about the vaccines William?!", William Bay responded: "I think the vaccines are shit, mate. They're absolute shit." https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/i-think-the-vaccines-are-shit-mate
And he is absolutely right...
This should have been said from the beginning...
You know, when there was 'a virus', purportedly causing a disease that was acknowledged at the time wasn't a serious threat to most people.
But they went ahead anyway and imposed 'a vaccine solution' on practically the entire population.
A vaccine solution that it turned out 'didn't prevent infection nor transmission' re 'the virus'.
But people were told to submit to it anyway, because it purportedly 'reduced hospitalisation and death'...you know...against the disease it had been admitted from the beginning wasn't a serious threat to most people.
And people were coerced, and even MANDATED, to submit to this medical intervention, that didn't 'prevent infection nor transmission'.
You know what is the most stunning thing? The amount of people who meekly went along with the 'shit vaccines', and even had multiple doses!
If only there had been more people with balls to call out this bullshit from the start...medical practitioners for instance...
Sorry for all the rude language, but seriously, this is beyond a joke... It is deadly serious, the damage that has been inflicted upon the community with this deliberately manufactured crisis, that has been used to exploit and enslave the people.
Yes, it's already happened, the personal autonomy and bodily integrity of millions of people has been stolen by this fiasco.
It's the biggest crime of all time...how about we start focussing on those accountable?
Yes it was said from the beginning. That was part of the reason why I was suspended as a result of the conspiracy brewing from before the covid jab was really rolled out. From first principles we had strong prior probability the spike protein factories would be set up in the endothelium leading to various pathological outcomes. Agreed the response from the profession was beyond disappointing. But then again, the vast majority of every profession were sheep.
Robert, re your comment "Agreed the response from the profession was beyond disappointing. But then again, the vast majority of every profession were sheep."
Well, so much for the 'professions'...
What an utter shambles.
The so-called 'professionals' have let the community down in spades.
And now it's time for them to be held to account.
For example the injecting practitioners, who violated their obligation to obtain voluntary informed consent for vaccination.
They knew the community was under duress due to coercion and mandates, they knew people coming into clinics and vaccination hubs couldn't possibly make a 'voluntary' decision when they were under threat of losing their livelihood and participation in society if they refused to submit to COVID-19 vaccination, e.g. in Daniel Andrews' 'vaccinated economy'.
How could these practitioners collaborate with coercive and mandated medical interventions, i.e. COVID-19 vaccination?
With regard to Dr Bay’s win in the Qld Supreme Court there are some caveats that make it less of a win for free speech by doctors concerning clinical and scientific issues, and rather more of a win for enforcing procedural fairness and appropriate due process by Ahpra and the Medical Board. The Board still has the capacity to censor doctors who the Board thinks are promulgating incorrect advice to the public or patients (or bringing the profession into disrepute). See the particular ‘carve-outs’ by the Judge in this case who specifically makes no comment about the merits of the Covid vaccines, and the legal commentary (not sure who the author is) noting that the Medical Board could still take Dr Bay to task about his comments about vaccines, as long as the Board did this with regard to due process and procedural fairness. The only comment of Justice Bradley that might give some comfort to medical practitioners critical of government policy about any clinical matters is as follows: "None of these measures extended the board's regulatory role to include protection of government and regulatory agencies from political criticism." It is uncertain whether other judges would take the same view. Unfortunately, this Supreme Court ruling is less than what I thought it might be. Any others would like to comment? Philip Morris.
Agreed Philip. Yes this matches (is a good summary of) the content of my latest article.
Well it depends on how you look at it, doesn't it Philip?
In this case it wasn't about the court engaging in discussion about the Covid debacle, but it helps put the spotlight on what AHPRA and the Medical Board are up to in persecuting practitioners, and suppressing dissent in the medical profession, those are shocking revelations in the judgement!
From my perspective, as an independent individual pursuing accountability for the destruction of voluntary informed consent for vaccination, the William Bay case opens up opportunities to go after AHPRA and the Medical Board.
Somebody has to do this work, otherwise the community, from womb to tomb, is going to be subjected to a never-ending onslaught of vaccine products.
For example via the new Moderna factory in Melbourne, which plans to pump out 100 million respiratory vaccine doses, every year... Who do you think is in the frame for these injections Philip? And it's going to be interesting going ahead, because I think the community's appetite for Covid and other respiratory vaccines has waned...
My main focus is on eliminating coercion and mandates. I just wish I could find some medical practitioners who are interested in defending voluntary informed consent for medical interventions such as vaccination.
I thought this would be a bedrock ethical and moral medical principle, in our supposedly 'free countries'.
Unfortunately, it seems it's just too risky for practitioners to engage in discussion on this publicly, because of their fear of AHPRA and the Medical Board. And notice the old way of describing the doctor-patient relationship? How about putting the patient first, i.e. the patient-doctor relationship.
Due to the utter failure of the medical 'profession' to reject participating in coercive/mandatory vaccination, it seems it's up to general members of the public to pursue accountability for taxpayer-funded mandatory vaccination policy and the destruction of voluntary informed consent, as I have been doing now for more than 16 years, including my pet vaccination experience.
It's an absolutely dire state of affairs.
Re: “As of last census, there’s >136,000 registered medical practitioners in Australia. In order to practice, AHPRA extorts over $1000 per year every year from each of them. That’s more than 136 million dollars flowing annually into AHPRA coffers! No research and development cost. No massive mining equipment to maintain. Stone cold pure cash extraction with minimal overhead.”
Really?
That’s a lot of money - $136 million dollars flowing annually into AHPRA coffers.
Is it accumulating? Where does all this money ultimately end up?
I’m calculating off census data and my own annual registration renewal costs. Where it ends up. Good question Elizabeth. I wouldn’t ask to see the accounting books if I don’t trust their bearer
During Billy' interview with Doc Malik:
Note Billy stated that his research confirmed that AHPRA (Being A Corporate Entity - ABN Included) had not submitted their Earnings to the ATO.
Billy stated that investigation into this matter needed to occur.
Watch this space.
Sounds interesting!
Wonderful article, Robert.
Sincere and transparent. And on point in highlighting how we are nowhere out of the woods.
Participation in the machine vs cost of living
Re: "What if a doctor were to stand up at a rally and publicly encourage an audience to reject all vaccines?"
Let's not cast the net so wide at first Robert.
How about: "What if a doctor were to stand up at a rally and publicly encourage an audience to reject the COVID-19 vaccines?"
Has such a thing happened in Australia, by a practicing doctor?
How many doctors have even attended a rally?
Starting mid 2020 I’m a veteran of approx 50 rallies in QLD and spoke at about a dozen of them, including the big one before the QLD December 17th 2021 pre federal election banning of gatherings. Also about a couple dozen community hall talks with the freedom friendly senators and candidates and more recently conferences in Sydney and Melbourne and some zoom talks and the senate enquires throughout. Some doctor friends attended rallies in hats and sunglasses from early on. By late Spring 2021 some had started joining me on the podium to speak out publicly. More were active in Melbourne. In Sydney it was Paul and Ros. Although my principle interest was lockdowns, masks and mandates, I did critique the covid vax and defended parents rights not to vaccinate their kids with the standard set. There’s really two generations of covid activists, the first 18 months re lockdown, masks and mandates and very late 2021 onwards re jab harms. Although I worked across both generations, from 2022 onwards I became more interested in the upstream forces giving birth to the covid cult.
Robert, given your own experience in courageously challenging the status quo, and subsequent persecution by AHPRA, I'm surprised at your rather gloomy response to the William Bay case.
While you start off with "All of us in the medical dissident community celebrate his unexpected victory over AHPRA and the medical board...", your article then descends into a negative ramble that sounds anything but celebratory...
William Bay won his case against the evil tyrants AHPRA and the Board, apparently without lawyers.
Holy bleedin' cow!
It is fantastic news.
And in the judgement we have a record of the Board's and AHPRA's appalling behaviour in persecuting a practitioner.
You sum it yourself, saying: "What followed was collusion between AMA and AHPRA to take out Bay, using in house (and biased) complainants, inappropriate use of the mandatory notification process, failing to properly furnish Bay with information as to his “offences” and generally stone walling his road to justice. He was accused of offences against both law and code of conduct without the board pointing out exactly what these offences were"
Crikey!!! How damning is that?! Colluding to destroy William Bay!
Do you think there should be massive complaints against AHPRA and the Board and the AMA? To the National Health Practitioner Ombudsman in the first instance to get these on the record, and other avenues via cooperative MPs and Senators? And get this out in the court of public opinion somehow!
The judgement provides a clear example of how AHPRA and the Board's threatening behaviour seeks to bully practitioners into compliance with government vaccination policy, and thereby inhibits practitioners from raising valid concerns about medical interventions such as vaccine products, and interferes with their free speech with patients, impacting on their obligation to obtain voluntary informed consent.
This is a serious threat to the safety of the community, as we are seeing unfold now, with reported adverse events after the COVID-19 vaccines, and who knows what lies ahead in future with all the uncertainties about these products which are under such a dark cloud in regard to their regulation under the TGA, and conflicts of interest of groups influential on taxpayer-funded vaccination policy, such as ATAGI.
And it's not just about adverse events. People in the community were coerced and mandated into submitting to these products, trashing their freedom to make their own decision on the intervention without penalty.
The medical profession collaborated with this, going along with the dictatorial AHPRA Position Statement 9 March 2021, and Scott Morrison's original desire for 'the vaccine' to be "as mandatory as you can possibly make it", as he announced in August 2020, before the vaccines were even available.
This is a dynamite political situation! So much to unravel here...
In regard to the Board's and AHPRA's part in all this, the Justice Bradley judgement is priceless ammunition, particularly with Justice Bradley saying "It might be difficult to characterise the conduct of the Board and AHPRA as anything less than profoundly unsatisfactory."
I think that's a pretty damning comment!
It seemed the Board and AHPRA had all the power to control and abuse the practitioners. But with William Bay bypassing the tribunal and going to court, it has upset their apple cart.
Who knew the court would actually be a friend after all that has gone on in this debacle?! That's quite the revelation.
I certainly hope there are some alert practitioners out there who can see the golden opportunity in this win by William Bay, and use it to turn the spotlight on the wretched Medical Board and AHPRA, it is certainly well overdue.
I also highly recommend people watch William Bay's discussion with Ahmad Malik, a former surgeon in the UK who was also persecuted by the regulator, this is essential viewing: https://docmalik.com/dr-william-bays-historic-victory-over-ahpra-australian-health-practitioner-regulation-agency/
In fact, we have a recent example, with William Bay saying to Michael Gray Griffith, after his recent court case win: "I think the vaccines are shit, mate. They're absolute shit." See: https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/i-think-the-vaccines-are-shit-mate
What do you think about that Robert? Do you think some ‘anonymous individual’ will be dobbing him into AHPRA?
In the euphoria after his court case victory, in response to Michael Gray Griffith's question "What do you think about the vaccines William?!", William Bay responded: "I think the vaccines are shit, mate. They're absolute shit." https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/i-think-the-vaccines-are-shit-mate
And he is absolutely right...
This should have been said from the beginning...
You know, when there was 'a virus', purportedly causing a disease that was acknowledged at the time wasn't a serious threat to most people.
But they went ahead anyway and imposed 'a vaccine solution' on practically the entire population.
A vaccine solution that it turned out 'didn't prevent infection nor transmission' re 'the virus'.
But people were told to submit to it anyway, because it purportedly 'reduced hospitalisation and death'...you know...against the disease it had been admitted from the beginning wasn't a serious threat to most people.
And people were coerced, and even MANDATED, to submit to this medical intervention, that didn't 'prevent infection nor transmission'.
You know what is the most stunning thing? The amount of people who meekly went along with the 'shit vaccines', and even had multiple doses!
If only there had been more people with balls to call out this bullshit from the start...medical practitioners for instance...
Sorry for all the rude language, but seriously, this is beyond a joke... It is deadly serious, the damage that has been inflicted upon the community with this deliberately manufactured crisis, that has been used to exploit and enslave the people.
Yes, it's already happened, the personal autonomy and bodily integrity of millions of people has been stolen by this fiasco.
It's the biggest crime of all time...how about we start focussing on those accountable?
Yes it was said from the beginning. That was part of the reason why I was suspended as a result of the conspiracy brewing from before the covid jab was really rolled out. From first principles we had strong prior probability the spike protein factories would be set up in the endothelium leading to various pathological outcomes. Agreed the response from the profession was beyond disappointing. But then again, the vast majority of every profession were sheep.
Robert, re your comment "Agreed the response from the profession was beyond disappointing. But then again, the vast majority of every profession were sheep."
Well, so much for the 'professions'...
What an utter shambles.
The so-called 'professionals' have let the community down in spades.
And now it's time for them to be held to account.
For example the injecting practitioners, who violated their obligation to obtain voluntary informed consent for vaccination.
They knew the community was under duress due to coercion and mandates, they knew people coming into clinics and vaccination hubs couldn't possibly make a 'voluntary' decision when they were under threat of losing their livelihood and participation in society if they refused to submit to COVID-19 vaccination, e.g. in Daniel Andrews' 'vaccinated economy'.
How could these practitioners collaborate with coercive and mandated medical interventions, i.e. COVID-19 vaccination?
Where was the leadership of the profession - the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners for instance, and the AMA? Pushing mandates themselves actually, as I refer to in my paper Misfeasance in Public Office? The Destruction of Voluntary Informed Consent for Vaccination: https://vaccinationispolitical.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/misfeasance-in-public-office-the-destruction-of-voluntary-informed-consent-for-vaccination.pdf
That the medical 'profession' collaborated with mandatory medical interventions...it is the grossest betrayal.
There they were, 'just following orders'... https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/just-following-orders
Well, it's time to throw them under the bus... They failed to obtain valid consent.
Strongly Agree!